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IBIS INTERCONNECT TASK GROUP
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Attendees from July 19 Meeting (* means attended at least using audio)

ANSYS                                Curtis Clark
Cadence Design Systems               Bradley Brim
Cisco                                David Siadat
Intel Corp.                          Michael Mirmak
Keysight Technologies                Radek Biernacki, Ming Yan
Mentor, A Siemens Company            Arpad Muranyi*
Micron Technology                    Justin Butterfield*, Randy Wolff*
SAE ITC                              Maureen Lemankiewicz, Logen Johnson
Signal Integrity Software            Walter Katz, Mike LaBonte*
Teraspeed Labs                       Bob Ross*
University of Aveiro in Portugal     Wael Dghais


Mike LaBonte convened the meeting.  No patents were declared. 
Justin Butterfield took minutes.


Review of Minutes:
- Mike called for review of the minutes from the July 12 meeting.
  Randy Wolff moved to approve the minutes.  Arpad Muranyi seconded. 
  The minutes were approved without objection.


Review of ARs:
- Mike to update the BIRD189.5 draft 2 and send it out to mailing list.
  - Mike reported this is done.

Opens: 
- None


BIRD189.5 draft 2:
Mike reviewed the changes he made on BIRD189.5 from draft 1 to draft 2.  On page
10, the word "interface" is added back in per the discussion last time.  Arpad
asked about the comment regarding the term "silicon die".  Mike replied that he
will delete the comments which have been resolved.  Mike noted the word "or" in
the bullet list on page 17 has been deleted.  On page 18, the word "integer" has
been replaced with the word "numeric".  Figure 52 has had some further fixes
applied to add dots for the node connections making it more consistent with the
IBIS specification.  Example 4 is now fixed per Bob's comment last time.

In regards to the sentence "A bus_label may be defined also by the [Pin Mapping]
keyword" in the [Bus Label] description, Bob suggested to make the sentence more
specific.  Mike asked if this sentence could be deleted.  He also suggested that
we might need a bus label clarification BIRD later on.  Bob thought that we
should clarify bus label as a requirement for BIRD189.  Mike added the [Pin
Mapping] section does mention the term "bus label". 

Mike stated the options are to delete the sentence or add the places where bus
labels can be defined.  Arpad suggested to add the other places where bus labels
can be defined.  Mike added [Pin], [Pin Mapping], and [Die Supply Pads] to the
sentence.  Bob mentioned he sent an email on July 10th which details his
proposed changes to sentence.  Mike deleted the comment which suggested a
possible change to [Pin Mapping] text.

Mike raised the issue on page 19 in the Unused_port_termination rules with the
term "GND".  Arpad asked if this sentence should say to connect to the
reference.  Mike suggested to use the term "local reference", but said he is not
opposed to saying "its reference".  Bob commented that we do not define the term
"local reference".  Arpad added that this section also applies to IBIS-ISS.
Randy suggested to say "a reference terminal" leaving it generic.  Arpad
wondered if this statement is too ambiguous, and he asked how the EDA tool would
know which reference to connect to.  He asked about Example 4 which has a
different reference for each section of interconnect model.  Mike added a
comment that this section will need clarification.

Mike asked about Randy's comments on the BIRD.  Randy stated on page 11 that the
last few paragraphs have "[Interconnet Model]" with the brackets where we are
not referring to the keyword.  Mike agreed these should have the brackets
removed.  Bob thought there are some instances where it makes sense to have the
brackets.  Arpad suggested to keep the brackets and add the word "keyword" to
the instances in the second sentence of the last paragraph.

Randy commented on page 27 in the example the word full has a '1' in it.

Bob commented on page 20 in the Number_of_terminals rules, Randy had suggested
the number of terminals for subcircuits and touchstone N+1 rule should be in
this section.  The sentence in the Terminal line rules section should be moved
to the Number_of_terminals section.  Mike moved the sentence "The value shall
equal the number of subcircuit terminals for an IBIS-ISIS subcircuit, or the
number of ports plus 1 (N+1) used in a corresponding associated Touchstone file"
to the Number_or_terminals rules section.  He also modified the sentence in the
Terminal line rules.

Mike noted that the main remaining issue is the referencing question.  Arpad
commented that in Example 4 the first interconnect model's reference is VSS,
while the second interconnect model's reference is presumably Pulldown_ref.
There is a [Pin Mapping] connection, as well, that defines the references or
current paths.  Arpad questioned if the [Pin Mapping] data can be ignored in
this example.  Arpad continued that we should look for a more explicit way to
define which pins are the reference.  Bob added that there may be current on
the reference.  Bob suggested to take up this topic next time.

Randy noted that the subcircuit name in the second interconnect model in
Example 4 has a space in it.

Arpad will tentatively put some discussion time on the agenda for next week's
ATM meeting about this topic as well.

Arpad moved to adjourn.  Randy seconded.  The meeting adjourned without
objection.